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Mary In Islam
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David Amicus
2015-10-29 02:35:42 UTC
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I am Catholic. I love Mary! And the one thing I greatly admire about Muslim=
s is that you will never hear any Muslim regardless of sect is deny Mary's =
perpetual virginity. You will never hear any Muslim say that she bore child=
ren after Jesus.

Muslims will deny that Mary is the Mother of God but I think if you were to=
ask the average pew evangelical if Mary is the Mother of God they would sa=
y NO that she was only the mother of his human nature. Basically Nestoriani=
sm. Plus many say that after Jesus Mary bore children to Joseph.

So I really respect Muslims in what they believe and teach about the Virgin=
Mary.


Questions: Is Mary considered a prophetess? And who is the First Woman of =
Paradise - Mary or Fatima?
Yusuf B Gursey
2015-10-29 17:01:05 UTC
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I am Catholic. I love Mary! And the one thing I greatly admire about Musl=
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s is that you will never hear any Muslim regardless of sect is deny Mary'=
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perpetual virginity. You will never hear any Muslim say that she bore chi=
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Muslims will deny that Mary is the Mother of God but I think if you were =
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ask the average pew evangelical if Mary is the Mother of God they would =
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y NO that she was only the mother of his human nature. Basically Nestoria=
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sm. Plus many say that after Jesus Mary bore children to Joseph.
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So I really respect Muslims in what they believe and teach about the Virg=
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Questions: Is Mary considered a prophetess? And who is the First Woman o=
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Many Muslim religious scholars make a distinction between a nabiyy "prophet=
" and rasu:l "Apostle, Messenger". A nabiyy is one who recieves a revelatio=
n from God. A rasu:l is additionally charged with transmitting that evelati=
on to a community. All human rasul's are also nabbiyy's, since they have to=
recieve the revalation they are supposed to transmit. Angels are rasul's b=
ut not nabiyy's because of their supernatural condition. According to this =
logic Mary is a nabiyy (or rather in the feminine, a nabiyyah) because she =
recieved divine revelation concerning her pregnancy. She is not however a r=
asu:l, she was not charged with delivering a message to a community.=20
Paradise - Mary or Fatima?
David Amicus
2015-10-29 22:00:11 UTC
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Post by Yusuf B Gursey
I am Catholic. I love Mary! And the one thing I greatly admire about Musl=
im=3D
s is that you will never hear any Muslim regardless of sect is deny Mary'=
s =3D
perpetual virginity. You will never hear any Muslim say that she bore chi=
ld=3D
ren after Jesus.
=20
Muslims will deny that Mary is the Mother of God but I think if you were =
to=3D
ask the average pew evangelical if Mary is the Mother of God they would =
sa=3D
y NO that she was only the mother of his human nature. Basically Nestoria=
ni=3D
sm. Plus many say that after Jesus Mary bore children to Joseph.
=20
So I really respect Muslims in what they believe and teach about the Virg=
in=3D
Mary.
=20
=20
Questions: Is Mary considered a prophetess? And who is the First Woman o=
f =3D
Many Muslim religious scholars make a distinction between a nabiyy "prophet=
" and rasu:l "Apostle, Messenger". A nabiyy is one who recieves a revelatio=
n from God. A rasu:l is additionally charged with transmitting that evelati=
on to a community. All human rasul's are also nabbiyy's, since they have to=
recieve the revalation they are supposed to transmit. Angels are rasul's b=
ut not nabiyy's because of their supernatural condition. According to this =
logic Mary is a nabiyy (or rather in the feminine, a nabiyyah) because she =
recieved divine revelation concerning her pregnancy. She is not however a r=
asu:l, she was not charged with delivering a message to a community.=20
Paradise - Mary or Fatima?
Thank-you! Also I like that Muslims believe that Mary is pure, holy, sinless. I like also that Mary has her own sura in the Qu'ran.

But in Islam who is the First Lady of Paradise Mary or Fatima?
Yusuf B Gursey
2015-10-31 17:11:49 UTC
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Post by David Amicus
Post by Yusuf B Gursey
I am Catholic. I love Mary! And the one thing I greatly admire about Musl=
im=3D
s is that you will never hear any Muslim regardless of sect is deny Mary'=
s =3D
perpetual virginity. You will never hear any Muslim say that she bore chi=
ld=3D
ren after Jesus.
=20
Muslims will deny that Mary is the Mother of God but I think if you were =
to=3D
Also denied by Nestorians.
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Post by Yusuf B Gursey
ask the average pew evangelical if Mary is the Mother of God they would =
sa=3D
y NO that she was only the mother of his human nature. Basically Nestoria=
ni=3D
sm. Plus many say that after Jesus Mary bore children to Joseph.
=20
So I really respect Muslims in what they believe and teach about the Virg=
in=3D
Mary.
=20
=20
Questions: Is Mary considered a prophetess? And who is the First Woman o=
f =3D
Many Muslim religious scholars make a distinction between a nabiyy "prophet=
" and rasu:l "Apostle, Messenger". A nabiyy is one who recieves a revelatio=
n from God. A rasu:l is additionally charged with transmitting that evelati=
on to a community. All human rasul's are also nabbiyy's, since they have to=
recieve the revalation they are supposed to transmit. Angels are rasul's b=
ut not nabiyy's because of their supernatural condition. According to this =
logic Mary is a nabiyy (or rather in the feminine, a nabiyyah) because she =
recieved divine revelation concerning her pregnancy. She is not however a r=
asu:l, she was not charged with delivering a message to a community.=20
Paradise - Mary or Fatima?
Thank-you! Also I like that Muslims believe that Mary is pure, holy,
Also Mary is mentioned more times in the Qur'an than in the NT.

There are however many parallels with the Qur'anic account of Mary and the apochryphal Protevangelium of James / Protoevangelium Jacobi / Protevangelium Jacobi or Infancy Gospel of James. So if you are a Muslim, those portions would be correct revelation.
Post by David Amicus
sinless. I like also that Mary has her own sura in the Qu'ran.
But in Islam who is the First Lady of Paradise Mary or Fatima?
Fatima.
David Amicus
2015-10-31 21:05:59 UTC
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Post by Yusuf B Gursey
On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 9:10:03 AM UTC-7, Yusuf B Gursey wrote=
On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 3:40:03 AM UTC+2, David Amicus wrote=
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Paradise - Mary or Fatima?
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Thank-you! Also I like that Muslims believe that Mary is pure, holy,=
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Post by Yusuf B Gursey
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Also Mary is mentioned more times in the Qur'an than in the NT.
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There are however many parallels with the Qur'anic account of Mary and th=
e apochryphal Protevangelium of James / Protoevangelium Jacobi / Protevange=
lium Jacobi or Infancy Gospel of James. So if you are a Muslim, those porti=
ons would be correct revelation.
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sinless. I like also that Mary has her own sura in the Qu'ran.
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But in Islam who is the First Lady of Paradise Mary or Fatima?
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Fatima.
Thanks! Despite the differences between Sunnis and Shi'ites they both have =
a common and mutual respect for Fatima.

Like Catholics and Mary so too with Muslims and Fatima it adds a nice femin=
ine touch!

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