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"Year of the Elephant" again.
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Yusuf B Gursey
2015-07-15 18:03:17 UTC
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There is a very good article by Christine Robin about the historical identi=
fiaction of various Qur'anic terms based on external sources that appeared =
recently. It appeared in the book "Les origines du Coran,
le Coran des origines" Francois Deroche, Christian Julien Robin et Michel Z=
ink ed. Academie des Inscriptions et Belles-Lettres Paris 2015 The title is=
: "l'Arabie dans le Coran. Reexamen de quelques termes a la lumiere des ins=
criptions preislamiques" ("Arabia in the Qur'an, A Reexamination of Some Te=
rms in the Light Pre-Islamic Inscriptions". Robin's specialty is Ancient So=
uth Arabian archaeology, epigraphy and history.=20

He considers the "Year of the Elephant" a real event although unrecorded. H=
e does not consider the inscription Murayghan I as refering to it. He repor=
ts the finding the recent find (November 2014) in Najran (now part of Saudi=
Arabia, though considered as the northernost part of historical Yemen) of =
3 rock engravings depicting an elephant and its handler. This is the first =
evidence of elephants being brought to Yemen (since there is no reference o=
f Persians bring it and this would be unlikely, they must have been brought=
by Abyssinians). However he says the purpose of the elephant was ceremonia=
l, as was used in ancient Abyssinia, and not as a war animal.
DKleinecke
2015-07-16 17:25:10 UTC
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Post by Yusuf B Gursey
There is a very good article by Christine Robin about the historical identi=
fiaction of various Qur'anic terms based on external sources that appeared =
recently. It appeared in the book "Les origines du Coran,
le Coran des origines" Francois Deroche, Christian Julien Robin et Michel Z=
ink ed. Academie des Inscriptions et Belles-Lettres Paris 2015 The title is=
: "l'Arabie dans le Coran. Reexamen de quelques termes a la lumiere des ins=
criptions preislamiques" ("Arabia in the Qur'an, A Reexamination of Some Te=
rms in the Light Pre-Islamic Inscriptions". Robin's specialty is Ancient So=
uth Arabian archaeology, epigraphy and history.=20
He considers the "Year of the Elephant" a real event although unrecorded. H=
e does not consider the inscription Murayghan I as refering to it. He repor=
ts the finding the recent find (November 2014) in Najran (now part of Saudi=
Arabia, though considered as the northernost part of historical Yemen) of =
3 rock engravings depicting an elephant and its handler. This is the first =
evidence of elephants being brought to Yemen (since there is no reference o=
f Persians bring it and this would be unlikely, they must have been brought=
by Abyssinians). However he says the purpose of the elephant was ceremonia=
l, as was used in ancient Abyssinia, and not as a war animal.
Whih implies that, perhaps, the Abussinian visit to Mecca was not
a military attack but rather a ceremonial showing of the flag. It
would be reasonable to expect the Abyssinian governemnt to consider
Taif and its dependency Mecca as part of their country and for the
cities to acknowledge that fact but go their own ways. An Abyssinian
ruler might have made a ceremonial visit to the Ka'aba - just to show
the locals who was boss. No fighting would be involved.
y***@gmail.com
2015-07-17 08:02:42 UTC
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Post by Yusuf B Gursey
There is a very good article by Christine Robin about the historical identi=
fiaction of various Qur'anic terms based on external sources that appeared =
recently. It appeared in the book "Les origines du Coran,
le Coran des origines" Francois Deroche, Christian Julien Robin et Michel Z=
ink ed. Academie des Inscriptions et Belles-Lettres Paris 2015 The title is=
Post by Yusuf B Gursey
"l'Arabie dans le Coran. Reexamen de quelques termes a la lumiere des ins=
criptions preislamiques" ("Arabia in the Qur'an, A Reexamination of Some Te=
rms in the Light Pre-Islamic Inscriptions". Robin's specialty is Ancient So=
uth Arabian archaeology, epigraphy and history.=20
He considers the "Year of the Elephant" a real event although unrecorded. H=
e does not consider the inscription Murayghan I as refering to it. He repor=
ts the finding the recent find (November 2014) in Najran (now part of Saudi=
Arabia, though considered as the northernost part of historical Yemen) of =
3 rock engravings depicting an elephant and its handler. This is the first =
evidence of elephants being brought to Yemen (since there is no reference o=
f Persians bring it and this would be unlikely, they must have been brought=
by Abyssinians). However he says the purpose of the elephant was ceremonia=
l, as was used in ancient Abyssinia, and not as a war animal.
Whih implies that, perhaps, the Abussinian visit to Mecca was not
a military attack but rather a ceremonial showing of the flag. It
An intriguing possibilty. Thanks.
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would be reasonable to expect the Abyssinian governemnt to consider
Taif and its dependency Mecca as part of their country and for the
cities to acknowledge that fact but go their own ways. An Abyssinian
ruler might have made a ceremonial visit to the Ka'aba - just to show
the locals who was boss. No fighting would be involved.
Yusuf B Gursey
2015-07-21 16:23:05 UTC
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Post by Yusuf B Gursey
There is a very good article by Christine Robin about the historical identi=
fiaction of various Qur'anic terms based on external sources that appeared =
recently. It appeared in the book "Les origines du Coran,
le Coran des origines" Francois Deroche, Christian Julien Robin et Michel Z=
ink ed. Academie des Inscriptions et Belles-Lettres Paris 2015 The title is=
: "l'Arabie dans le Coran. Reexamen de quelques termes a la lumiere des ins=
criptions preislamiques" ("Arabia in the Qur'an, A Reexamination of Some Te=
rms in the Light Pre-Islamic Inscriptions". Robin's specialty is Ancient So=
uth Arabian archaeology, epigraphy and history.=20
He considers the "Year of the Elephant" a real event although unrecorded. H=
e does not consider the inscription Murayghan I as refering to it. He repor=
ts the finding the recent find (November 2014) in Najran (now part of Saudi=
Arabia, though considered as the northernost part of historical Yemen) of =
3 rock engravings depicting an elephant and its handler. This is the first =
evidence of elephants being brought to Yemen (since there is no reference o=
f Persians bring it and this would be unlikely, they must have been brought=
by Abyssinians). However he says the purpose of the elephant was ceremonia=
l, as was used in ancient Abyssinia, and not as a war animal.
Whih implies that, perhaps, the Abussinian visit to Mecca was not
a military attack but rather a ceremonial showing of the flag. It
Robin says that it is possible that it is possible that Abraha's elephant had the same symbolic function
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would be reasonable to expect the Abyssinian governemnt to consider
Taif and its dependency Mecca as part of their country and for the
cities to acknowledge that fact but go their own ways. An Abyssinian
ruler might have made a ceremonial visit to the Ka'aba - just to show
the locals who was boss. No fighting would be involved.
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